Hi folks, @Ali Caglayan and I were discussing about what software to use for the Hackathon; we both think Discord is interesting: it has a lot of features to do breakout sessions, and we think it would be cool to try a new platform; it was used for the HoTT school last year.
On the other hand, we don't know how it would interact with Zulip, so maybe BBB + Zulip is a safer choice?
What do you think folks ? cc: @nicolas tabareau
personally, I really don't like Discord
so vote for BBB + Zulip here any day of the week
Thanks for the feedback @Karl Palmskog , actually we discussed a bit more and indeed our excitement for Discord has toned down quite a bit, so we will do as in the Coq Workshop I think
I still like the idea tho of using Discord, but for another time
there is a reason is so popular
I prefer different systems, but Discord provides something no other system provides
a very smooth _integral_ experience
imagine Zulip had phone and video calls, that'd be a gamechanger
plus the bots are top-notch
Discord is completely proprietary and for all we know they log/distribute all communication to a bunch of parties for commercial and other gain
I wasn't aware of the last part, I know it is propietary
But as an experiment I'm OK with that as it can be used from the browser
and as of today it is hard to imagine anyone does steer clear of propietary websites (very unfortunately)
I think Inria-hosted BBB is a reasonable tradeoff (OSS, so probably no covert channels, etc.)
I was not aware the Discord used data that way, seems pretty bad!
I mean, I don't have proof that they sell anything or whatever, but if you have a proprietary solution in the cloud, there is no possible way to say they don't/won't
I know for sure they monitor/check all communication, and who can say for how long they store it? Obviously they have everyone's IP and so on.
That's easy to check as they should be clear what kind of end-to-end encryption use
well something is to log, which can be done with reasonable privacy
a very different thing is to sell the content itself
but how do you tell the difference?
I thought you were affirming it, now that I think of it I'd be very surprised if they didn't promise something like Zoom
they don't have end to end encryption
unless you count their servers as an end
Anyways we changed our minds after writing the post, sorry for the noise folks
tho it is good to learn a bit more
but I think it's important to choose trusted parties. We don't have resources to analyze clients and so on, and we already implicitly include Inria in our trusted base.
so I think any solution for chat/video/etc. should be hosted by Inria or OSS+cloud
For this event where all communciation is public
while I agree with you in spirit
I also consider alternatives if that's gonna make the life of newcomers easier
are private BBB breakout rooms considered public?
that's more important for me, and I fully support your views against propietary software
I thought participants could have private sessions if they wished
Karl Palmskog said:
are private BBB breakout rooms considered public?
that's a good point now that you mention it, I guess people may assume privacy on them and talk bad for example of the person that developed the Dune support for Coq and how lazy he's been
they better don't as that guy will find a way to know XD
Karl Palmskog said:
I thought participants could have private sessions if they wished
yes that's a very good point, it is reasonable to expect privacy in these rooms
there are so many ways these days to be misunderstood in public communication, so for some collaborations I prefer talking privately for sure
the hypothetical lazy dev stuff is just the tip of the iceberg...
Karl Palmskog said:
there are so many ways these days to be misunderstood in public communication, so for some collaborations I prefer talking privately for sure
I was kidding of course, as it seems lots of interest in dune and none of the promises of improvement so far, but yes to both
and yes communication is super difficult!
in general
for me so difficult that I got inscribed into a program to improve it
Actually files don't make a lot of sense for ITP
are just IMO, a historical implementation detail that we will soon get rid of
(famous last words (TM))
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